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Pavel Yurievich Uvarov- Russian historian, specialist in the field of Western European history of the Middle Ages and early modern times. He is engaged in the history of France, the history of Russian-French relations, the history of universities, historiography, and the social history of Europe. Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences since May 25, 2006 in the Department of Historical and Philological Sciences.
Graduated from the Faculty of History of the Moscow Humanitarian Pedagogical Institute. IN AND. Lenin (1978), in 1983 he defended his Ph.D. thesis "The University of Paris and the social life of a medieval city (based on French-language university works)", in 2003 - his doctoral dissertation "French society of the 16th century: the experience of reconstruction according to notarial acts". Chief Researcher at the Institute of World History of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Head of the Department of the Western European Middle Ages and Early Modern Times. Head of the Russian-French Center for Historical Anthropology. M. Block of the Russian State University for the Humanities (2006-2010). Member of the International Commission on the History of Universities (ICHU) under the International Committee of Historical Sciences, is a member of the academic councils of the IVI RAS and the Russian State University for the Humanities. Since 2013 - Chairman of the Expert Council of the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation on History and the Scientific Council of the Russian Academy of Sciences "Man in everyday life: past and present."
Professor of the Russian State Humanitarian University (teaches courses in the history of France, the history of culture and historiography); also reads a course on the history of the Middle Ages at the State Academic University for the Humanities. Since 2009, he has been the head of the Department of Social History at the Faculty of History of the National Research University Higher School of Economics. Visiting professor at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales (Paris) and the Universities Paris4-Sorbonne, Paris1-Panteon, Rennes-2. Honorary Professor of a number of Russian universities (Tomsk, Voronezh, Yekaterinburg, Tyumen, Kazan, Stavropol). Head of a number of summer schools.
Since 2015 - Professor of the Theology Department of National Research Nuclear University MEPhI.
Managing editor of the magazine "Middle Ages", member of the editorial boards of the magazine "Russian History" and the almanacs "Odysseus: a man in history", "French Yearbook", "Historical Research". Editor of the II volume of the academic "World History" (2012).
Main scientific works and major publications in recent years:
French society in an era of cultural change: From Francis I to Louis XIV / Pod. ed. P.Yu. Uvarova and E.E. Berger. M., IVI RAN, 2008. 284 p. (18 p.l.);
Margeret Jacques. State of the Russian Empire. J. Margeret in documents and research: (Texts, comments, Articles) / Ed. An. Berelovich, V.D. Nazarova, P.Yu. Uvarov. M.: Languages of Slavic cultures, 2007. 552 p. (Studia historica);
France, 16th century Experiences of reconstruction according to notarial deeds. M.: Nauka, 2004. 35 p.
French society in the era of cultural change: From Francis I to Louis XIV. / resp. ed. the author will enter. articles, translations and comments - P.Yu. Uvarov. M. IVI RAS, 2008. (Supplement to the journal "Middle Ages". Issue 3). 284 p.;
Feudalism: concept and realities / ed. AND I. Gurevich, S.I. Luchitskaya, P.Yu. Uvarov. M., IVI RAN, 2008;
Social self-identification of a medieval person / Ed. A.A. Svanidze, P.Yu. Uvarov. Moscow: Nauka, 2007.
Pavel Yuryevich Uvarov is a prominent specialist in the field of medieval studies and early modern times, well known both in our country and abroad, the author of more than 250 works. The history of France is the main research topic of Pavel Yurievich. This is evidenced by his monographs “The French of the 16th century: View from the Latin Quarter” (M., 1994), “France of the 16th century: An experience of reconstruction based on notarial acts” (M., 2004), “Under the vaults of the Palace of Justice. Seven Legal Collisions in France of the 16th Century” (M., 2017), as well as a doctoral dissertation, written on the basis of a rigorous study of notarial acts. The study of notarial deeds allowed him to show France and the French of the 16th century through the prism of social, legal, anthropological and microhistory.
Pavel Yuryevich is one of the "practicing historians" - those who like to work directly with the source, draw inspiration from it and can see with its help a person of the distant past. Not without reason, part of his works is devoted to the problem of "restoring" the individual destinies of people of the past and, thus, understanding a particular person. This “restoration” is one of the main merits of P.Yu. Uvarov as a historian.
Pavel Yuryevich as a researcher has the ability to look at an event in history in a special way - from different angles. This is evidenced by a number of important scientific conferences he held and, in particular, the international conference “St. Bartholomew's Night. Event and Controversy” (1997), followed by the publication of its materials, which collected various approaches to this resonant event of the 16th century against the backdrop of the era of the Wars of Religion in France.
Another side of the scientific creativity of P.Yu. Uvarov is his attention to the problem of elite intellectual labor and medieval universities. PhD thesis of Pavel Yuryevich, defended in 1983 at the Moscow State Pedagogical Institute. IN AND. Lenin, was devoted precisely to this issue. The University of Paris in his research is in many ways the focus of European universalism, a corporation that is not only able to teach dialogue with royalty, but is also a kind of “school of representation”.
Not ignored by P.Yu. Uvarov and historiographic problems.
He professionally examines what, and most importantly, why and how they write
historians. In his works, he demonstrates what evolution is
the evolution of the historiographical process in France and in other countries,
explores the specifics of various areas of historical knowledge
in modern domestic medieval studies. The monograph “Between Hedgehogs” and “Foxes” is devoted to the peculiarities of the scientific work of French and Russian medievalists (R. Munier, E. Le Roy Ladurie, A.Ya. Gurevich, O.I. Varyash, etc.), problems of historiography. Notes on historians” (M., 2015).
P.Yu. Uvarov is in charge of the Department of the Western European Middle Ages and Early Modern Ages of the IVI RAS, and is the executive editor of the main scientific journal of Russian medievalists "Middle Ages". He is also a member of the International Commission on the History of Universities, and a member of the editorial boards of publications such as the French Yearbook and Historical Studies.
- Please tell us about your scientific biography.
Lately, I don't like to talk about my scientific career. As a practicing historian, I no longer do much and share my experience and tell all sorts of “historical anecdotes” too much. I recently published a book “Between “hedgehogs” and “foxes”. Notes on Historians” and everything is told there. There were no special zigzags in my scientific life. I graduated not from Moscow University, but from the Lenin Moscow Pedagogical Institute, in the 1930s it was called the “Second Moscow State University”. I still found the remnants of the former luxury. There were such outstanding teachers as Sergei Lvovich Utchenko, Eduard Nikolaevich Burdzhalov, Vladimir Borisovich Kobrin - names that would do honor to the modern Moscow State University. Then he worked at a distribution school for three years. At the same time, he studied at the correspondence postgraduate course at the Department of the History of the Ancient World and the Middle Ages of the Moscow State Pedagogical Institute. After working for three years, he went to the Department of Rare Books of the Library of Foreign Literature. After school, it seemed like heaven to me. Then he defended himself, returned to the department at the Moscow State Pedagogical Institute and was an assistant there for some time. Since 1985, I moved to work at the Institute of World History, which I do not regret. Although, when I transferred, I was already deputy dean of the evening department of the history department. They told me in the personnel department: “Do you understand that you are going down?”. I have been sitting here since 1985. So the biography is alien to some kind of romance.
- You have done a lot of research on French universities. P.N. Milyukov wrote that the university was one of the main germs of European democracy. Why do you think modern Russian universities do not fulfill the function of promoting democratic practice in our society?
First, about democracy. There is a healthy rejection of university myths among university historians. One of them is the myth that autonomy is always good and lack of autonomy is always bad. In fact, the glass is half empty and half full. University autonomy can be a boon, but it can also be an obstacle to the development of science and education. Many cases are known when a person seizes power in a university, then changes the academic council for himself and can sit until the end of his life. They are trying to remove him, but they cannot, because we have autonomy, and there are quite a few such examples. By the way, when in France under Sarkozy there was a reform that strengthened autonomous principles - more rights for the president of the university, and the university as a whole received more prerogatives, freeing itself from the tutelage of the ministry - French intellectuals rebelled against this "expansion of democracy." They said, “You are making us hostages of the president of the university. He will promote his favorites. It is better to let the ministry take care of the observance of justice.”
If universities were only seedbeds of democracy, they would remain a purely Western phenomenon. Human rights, parliamentarism, freedom of speech, democracy, and so on, as experience shows, do not always take root outside the Western context, they take bizarre forms. But the university takes root everywhere. In Iran, please. In Africa - yes, as much as you like. Chinese universities are generally excellent. The university is a form that adapts very well to the requirements of the environment, while retaining, of course, that momentum of democracy that is inherent in universities from the very beginning. Even in the USSR, if a person from the Soviet structure, where the CPSU really decided everything, came to the Academy or university, then he saw that it was still a little different here, not the way he was used to. Everything seems to be clear. There is party discipline. For example, an “opinion” is announced that it is necessary to deprive A.D. Sakharov title of academician. It seems that the majority of voting people are communists. They had to listen to this "opinion" according to party discipline. But since the vote is secret, it seems that the President, Academician Alexandrov, said that there would be a negative vote. Then the department of science of the Central Committee played back. Still, the academic environment has its own characteristics. Therefore, the topic of universities is always interesting, always relevant. We need to look at how the university idea, the university tradition is adapting to the environment. This is one of the big mysteries.
- Please tell us about your work in VAK
I got into VAK by coincidence. Suddenly, vacancies became available for both the chairman and the deputy chairman of the Expert Council. The director of our institute proposed my candidacy, although this did not arouse enthusiasm in me, because the structure is not entirely clear. I can say that I “got caught” that several times in my articles I gave advice on how to change the protection procedure and so on. It turned out that I give advice, and when they offer me to do something, I refuse it. Well, in general, they “took it weakly.” Soon it will be three years since I sit in the Higher Attestation Commission. At first, I really didn't like it there. Now I'm used to it. You understand that from inside the system you see the mechanisms of its work, invisible from the outside. Get rid of myths and preconceived notions. The most interesting thing is that you can observe the “historiographical process” live, the change in historical fashion.
An important point is the fight against written off dissertations. Many thanks to Dissernet. We haven't had any problems with them so far. Those appeals that they gave, we checked, and they were confirmed. Although, of course, the absence of directly written off large pieces of text does not in itself guarantee the quality of the dissertation. Unfortunately, we cannot reject a dissertation on the grounds that it is bad. We may not recognize it if the procedure is violated. Let's say the dissertation student indicated that this was a Vakov magazine, but it was not Vakov's. We can complain about this. And to say: “You know, there is nothing new in the dissertation,” is very difficult for us, even if the author read four books but did not write them off, but retold them in his own words. Unfortunately, there is no tribune from which one could address academic councils, the scientific community. There is only an ultimatum language: "We do not recommend the dissertation for defense, we do not agree with the decision of the dissertation council." In this case, the dissertation candidate is called to the Presidium of the Higher Attestation Commission. It's like a last resort. Although it happens that the Presidium of the VAK, having figured it out, lets a person go in peace.
Here is a typical situation. Recently, there have been many dissertations on the foreign policy of Russia in the first half of the 19th century. Sometimes it is clear that the author does not know French. And the sources, as you understand, are mostly in French, since it was the language of diplomatic office work. How, on this basis, can we wrap up this dissertation? It used to be easier. Previously, the expert council had the right to call to its meeting and talk with the author of the work. Within half an hour you can get an idea of how independent the work is. Now, by a government decision, we have been deprived of this right. We moved the arrows to the Presidium of the VAK. And this is a complete disaster. I am sitting on the presidium as a representative of our expert council. The meeting starts at 11 o'clock, and sometimes ends at six o'clock, and sometimes later. Cases are considered on the opening of scientific councils, and on scientific journals, and on the approval of defenses. But the lion's share of the time there is a stream of dissertators from all social and humanitarian disciplines who are called for an interview. They languish in the hallway for hours waiting for a call. Gray-haired men, ardent young men, women in the last month of pregnancy. They are all very sorry. Mostly economists. There are at least two-thirds of the entire suffering crowd of dissertators. Dozens of people pass through every day. You can spend no more than 5-10 minutes on each. Invite to the hall, ask questions, remove from the hall, make a decision, call again to the courtroom and solemnly announce the verdict. What can be learned during this time? If the old system is returned, it will increase the level of expertise. It will not be the current tedious and senseless assembly line of 50 people of different scientific specialties per day, but two or three dissertators with whom experts will talk. Then they will make a decision, with which the Presidium will either agree or not. But for this it is necessary to cancel the previous decision, and either the Ministry or the Government stubbornly refuses to do this.
Or the notorious VAKovsky list of magazines. According to the new order, it does not follow a permissive, but a declarative way. Probably to avoid corruption. But this does not mean that it has become easier to register a journal, on the contrary. You need to collect 37 different documents, otherwise the application will be automatically rejected by the computer database. Including an agreement with the Book Chamber on the right of legal deposit, statutory documents, an agreement with a publishing house, an agreement on the issuance of ISSN, and so on. And the older the publication, the more difficult it is to collect all the papers. What statutory documents can our journal "Middle Ages" have? We have been publishing since 1942. But if the documents are collected, then the VAK does not have the right to refuse registration. That is, we are obliged to register any magazine, even an obviously hacky one. For Academician Nikolai Nikolaevich Kazansky, a classical philologist, who sits on the Presidium of the Higher Attestation Commission, the approval of journals is simply torment. Publishers are very fond of giving Latin titles, sometimes making four mistakes in a couple of words of the title. And we cannot refuse.
We managed to assemble a working team of VAK experts. Yesterday, for example, there was a meeting for which 60 cases had accumulated over the holidays. We sat for a very long time, but the procedure did not degenerate into a formal stamping of decisions. The experts, indeed, tried to delve into the content, point out typical errors. Most often, at the same time, the dissertation was still recommended to be approved, but sometimes, however, patience ran out, the work was either sent for additional examination, or it was recommended to call the dissertation candidate to the Presidium. But, most importantly, the council tries to discuss certain scientific norms, determining what is acceptable and what is not. This is the process of development of science, its important component. I keep dreaming that someone would record it. That is, not a final decision, but a discussion taking place at the Council, and then it would somehow be broadcast to the scientific community (even without giving names). I even wanted to keep such a “diary of the chairman” on the page of the Free Historical Society. So far it hasn't worked, which is a pity. I repeat, we really need a channel of communication both with scientists and with the technical services of dissertation councils. Well, here, for example, a fashion arose from somewhere to write a phrase about the personal contribution of the applicant to the preparation of the work, which "consisted in personal participation at all stages of the dissertation preparation." This is complete nonsense. It is obvious that the wording was written off from some general recommendations related to the natural sciences, when a whole laboratory or creative team can work, but only one defends. But for historians, it does not make any sense. But don’t “cut” all the work because of this! Yes, and it is also a pity to issue a remark to the council only on this basis, since after the third remark the council is closed. So we need an informal channel of communication to explain at least such things, not to mention more serious cases.
- Does the HAC provide for a procedure for checking for plagiarism? Or is it left to hope for Dissernet?
This is the responsibility of dissertation councils. They send a dissertation verification certificate through Antiplagiarism. If necessary, if, for example, there are appeals, we check ourselves. But we have the presumption of innocence, it is customary to trust the Discouncils. In general, they have been saying for a long time that the HAC should be canceled, all cases should be transferred to dissertation councils. At Moscow State University, at St. Petersburg State University, and later at other centers, everyone will themselves award their degrees, following the example of American and other universities. This was a popular idea in the 1990s. Then it was abruptly cut off, deciding that this was the pulling apart of a single scientific space. But there are also legal problems. Are Ulan-Ude obliged to hire a "doctor of Moscow State University"? Suppose they accept it there, but then, in turn, they will demand that the local degree be automatically recognized in Moscow if a person with a Ulan-Uda degree decides to work at Moscow State University. It is easy to anticipate some friction.
Control by the HAC, alas, is justified. And the new requirements, which dissertators and dissertation councils complain about, nevertheless increase the scientific level of defenses. For example, we managed to change the procedure for appointing opponents. Until recently, this was out of control. Very often, the Dissertation Council, or rather, the supervisor or the dissertation student himself, appointed opponents on the principle of loyalty. There is a notion of an “opponent on duty”, who goes to the defense without a hitch and in return knows that he will be provided with the same services. Now, nevertheless, it is necessary to show that the opponent is engaged in this topic, he has such and such works on this subject over the past five years. Unfortunately, we have the right to control this choice only after the fact, already when the dissertation is defended. There was a story with a dissertation in an exotic specialty that required knowledge of some ancient language. It turned out that the opponents are very good historians, but not a single one knows this language, although there are such specialists in the country. The dissertation had to be sent for additional examination, a lot of effort, time and nerves were expended. But the dissertation is not bad at all, and if we had been consulted in advance, many problems could have been avoided
How common is plagiarism in history dissertations?
There were many until Dissernet started working. There were "factories" for the production of dissertations. They are still there, they just began to work thinner. Previously, they simply took large pieces from different works and assembled them. By the way, the concept of plagiarism is also historical. Try to apply "Antiplagiarism" to any work of a medieval author or a titan of the Renaissance. Machiavelli might have passed, and even then with great difficulty, but the rest with their centon-paraphrase method would have been declared plagiarists. Today, plagiarism is undoubtedly facilitated by computer technology. Previously, one had to suffer to rewrite, reprint, but now - with one click of the mouse, the problem is solved. But "Anti-Plagiarism" catches texts in Russian, and we are talking mainly about dissertations, and not about monographs or articles. Although now the technical capabilities of this system are growing. But if the dissertation student takes an English text, translates it into Russian and passes it off as his own, then Anti-Plagiarism is powerless here. Only colleagues can identify this practice.
The biggest impudence is a fictitious publication. This is a well-thought-out strategy, because if you publish an article with "borrowings", they can read it and grab their heads. And if it exists only in links, then, in fact, no one will check it. There were many such references on the topic "Youth policy in the 90s in such and such a region." It is unlikely that there will be a crowd of people who want to read such an article. This was the calculation.
- Were there many links to non-existent articles?
Yes. In fact, it was because of them that the scandal began. Of course, the scandal had a pronounced political connotation - they checked, first of all, officials and politicians, but at the same time they began to check not only eminent people, but all dissertators who defended themselves in this “illuminated” council. It turned out that this is a common practice. We are still on this basis deprive the degree for the work of 2009-2011. Most of the time, there are appeals. We check quite carefully. This is hard and unpleasant work. Until recently, we didn't have access to the dissertation database at all. Now appeared. In general, the work of an expert is good, but unpaid. Meeting twice a month is a lot. And to spend extra time on “homework” in databases is a shame. By the way, travel expenses are not paid. If a university sends an expert to the Higher Attestation Commission, say, from Transbaikalia, it must pay for his travel and accommodation. Which, in general, looks rather strange. There is no such thing in any scientific fund.
After Dissernet developed a storm of activity, did the number of officials defending dissertations decrease?
Very much. You can see it in the subject matter. Previously, there was a wave of dissertations on youth policy, on the development of democracy in such and such an area in such and such years. Now this fashion has passed. The remaining dissertations on this subject are now scrutinized with particular care. Now, on the other hand, there are a lot of dissertations on the history of education. This is already starting to worry. Dissertations are local, written in the archives of one region. Nowhere is it written that the topic should cover the whole country. In any case, after all, we do not have as many cases of plagiarism as economists and lawyers.
When did this massive plagiarism appear, since the 1990s or already in the 2000s due to the massive use of computers and the Internet?
Plagiarism was also in Soviet times. Technically it was different. Couldn't be copied. It was possible to reprint, and when reprinting some kind of author's inserts usually appeared. There were no controls back then. Only the victim himself could recognize his text in someone else's composition. Plagiarism has always existed, but its scale has increased due to computers. But the problem is not only in the technique of copying. A science degree is still prestigious, and many people want to decorate their business card with the inscription “Doctor of Science”. Demand creates supply. There are a huge number of disadvantaged intellectuals who need to earn a living. As a result, there are "criminal schemes" that feel quite confident. I still receive tempting offers by e-mail, and you see advertisements for “turnkey dissertations” on the Internet, and sometimes there are ads in the subway: “Help with writing dissertations: consulting services, success guaranteed, payment after defense.” No one goes to the prosecutor's office with these announcements. Now the situation has changed. Sometimes a dissertation student suddenly asks to remove his work from defense. It happens that in general a person defended his defense a few years ago, and now he asks to deprive him of his degree. Better to give up a degree than to become the hero of a scandal.
- And if plagiarism is found not in a dissertation, but in an article or monograph. There are any ways of influence?
We do not have. The council in the VAK decides questions of a qualifying nature. Although sometimes we really want to expand the scope of our activities. Sometimes you read a dissertation review and realize that the opponent is simply illiterate, does not understand what historical research is. But we cannot deprive opponents of a degree for what they wrote in their review. It is important that reputational mechanisms are put into operation, that a scientific environment is formed that is irreconcilable to plagiarism and hack work. A sharp controversy on these issues is going on in social networks. For my discipline - medieval studies, I keep trying to invite the authors of bright "network" statements on our topics to write reviews for our journal "Middle Ages". Sometimes it works out. For a publisher, there is no greater delicacy than a negative review. An archaeologist's treasure is a garbage heap, a publisher's treasure is an abusive article. Of course, not for the sake of scandal. As a result, the positive meaning of such discussions is manifested. Especially if the criticized responds, there is a controversy. In your journal "Historical Expertise" I read abusive reviews with great pleasure. It is important. Admittedly, I haven't read the replies yet. Maybe those who are scolded do not read the "Historical Expertise"?
Well, then there will be a normal discussion, if they read it and don't dismiss it. There is a single context. The problem here is not so much in the authorities, not in the VAK, and not even in crooks. The problem is that a single scientific space, a single context, has been destroyed. Somewhere it is believed that you need to know French in order to engage in Russian foreign policy. Somewhere it doesn't count. And in those councils where this is not considered, it passes, and you can’t explain to them that this is unacceptable. I was impressed by the question at the defense of the dissertation, again about the politics of Russia in the 19th century: “How did the Kremlin treat this and that?” The policy of the Kremlin in the 19th century is strong.
It turns out that we can influence the plagiarists of articles and monographs only by creating a moral climate. There are no legal procedures?
There is a court. An employee of our institute, Elena Alexandrovna Melnikova, a well-known specialist in the Viking Age and Ancient Russia, won several processes. She found publications where her texts were published without permission, initiated a case and won several lawsuits.
- What were the decisions of the court?
The court took some kind of action against the publisher. In addition, it is recognized that the author of the publication is not its author - this is a scandal. You can no longer list it in your list of publications. This is, in general, an unpleasant thing. Also, fine. The money may be small, but still ...
- What, in your opinion, should be borrowed from the international experience of defending dissertations.
It would be nice to adopt the German experience. In Germany, it is impossible to defend yourself at the place of work and it is difficult - at the place of study. Thus, the independence of the examination is increased. We generally lack university mobility. Needed where was born. Many Russian universities employ only graduates of these universities. This hinders the development of science for many reasons. It is worth introducing a jury system. Now the Dissertation Councils consist of 20 to 30 people. If three people understand the topic of the dissertation being defended, then this is already good. The rest either listen with half an ear, or go about their business. Responsibility is scattered among at least two dozen people, most often relying on the opinion of opponents who do not make decisions, relying, in turn, on the opinion of members of the Dissertation Council. In the West, the jury consists of 5 people who are really experts on this topic, and they take full responsibility for the quality of the discussed work. It's more logical.
Of course, the current form of defenses at the Grand Council has its advantages - scientists broaden their horizons, and a dissertation candidate, in principle, should present his theses in such a way that not only narrow specialists understand him. But after all, the Dissertation Councils do not have to be dissolved, they can approve or not approve the decision of the jury. Thus, it will be a combined system. I dream of international defenses, and I myself participated in defenses in France several times. Yes, we will have many problems, first of all - language. It is necessary to pay considerable travel expenses, the problem of mutual recognition of diplomas arises, at least at the level of defenses. That is, to recognize that the holder of a degree from Princeton University is no less competent than a Russian doctor, and therefore can be an opponent on defense.
Well, in general, you need to understand that expertise costs money, and savings here go sideways. All attempts to find one criterion, like the h-index, lead to the imitation of scientific activity. We have a brilliant people. He will immediately come up with a lot of ways to get around all this, how to ensure the publication of publications in high-ranking magazines from Bangladesh for very little money. This time is wasted at the expense of science. The Higher School of Economics has shown an example of a truly thought-out system of expertise. They invested in due diligence for their internal purposes to figure out who to pay publishing allowances to. To do this, they compiled a rating of magazines. They did it for their own purposes, so regional publications are poorly represented there. But the idea itself is promising. They have a blacklist where journals go, where they take money for publication, where there is no double peer review. Publications in journals where you are the chief editor are not taken into account, for me this is bad, but generally fair. They had leading experts who did not speak out themselves, but each named 15 other experts. And based on their ratings, a rating was compiled. I am glad that our "Middle Ages" got there, despite the fact that we have a low citation index. And this is understandable, we are a narrowly specialized magazine, not many people will refer to us. But the experts took into account the quality of the articles published by us.
- What other countries have a system similar to VAK?
Our system has been adopted in Tajikistan. We review and approve Tajik dissertations. This is a separate song. A system similar to ours exists in France. The degrees there are awarded by universities, but the ministry controls this process and there have been cases of cancellation of protection. In addition, in France there is a parallel state system of competitive certification for teaching positions - aggregation. In general, if the VAK is canceled today, the number of holders of a scientific degree will rapidly approach the population of the country, and nothing can be done about it.
Let's talk about the Department of the Middle Ages of the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences. What challenges do you face as head of this department?
Do you want to publish my interview in many volumes of your magazine? I can talk about this for a very long time. To determine the subject and even the staff of our department, oddly enough, the problem of periodization is very important. Periodization exists everywhere, in every country, for every national history. A few years ago I had a conversation with specialists in Russian history. I asked them if there were Middle Ages in Russian history. All those present answered positively, although not all experts think so. But when I asked: “From what century to what?” - without hesitation, all three answered at the same time, but each answered differently. And then they looked in surprise not only at me, but also at each other. That is, we do not have a periodization of national history, to say nothing of non-national history. In Soviet times, the Middle Ages were identical to the concept of a feudal formation. Since the late 1930s, the upper limit was set first on the date of the French Revolution, and then it was shifted to the so-called English Revolution of the middle of the 17th century, although the British themselves do not believe that they had a revolution. In the post-Soviet period, the medievalists themselves said: "But let's, as in the West and as it was in pre-revolutionary Russia, return the border of the Middle Ages to the beginning of the 16th century." In words, this was easy to do, but when it turned into a division of hours in universities, it turned out that the departments of Modern History and the Middle Ages were fighting over the border between periods. But it's not just about mercantile interests. A person who studies, say, Dante, he will figure it out in the 17th century. It will not be easy for a person who studies Helmut Kohl to understand the specifics of the 16th century. It is possible to allocate in the separate period "early New time". But then it is necessary to create new departments, change programs. Our medievalists have not yet decided to what century our competence extends. Of course, there were incidents in Soviet times. Western scientists laughed when it turned out that our expert on the Thirty Years' War was working in the department of the Middle Ages. At the same time, this gave our specialists the opportunity to see some processes in development and continuity, which they could not in the West.
The same problems surfaced in the preparation of the new edition of World History. With all the shortcomings, this is a pretty useful job. It made it possible to somehow take a fresh look at the historical process and find some kind of national point of view. After all, although science is international, no one has canceled national historiography. This does not mean that it is necessary to prove that Russia is the birthplace of elephants. This is being done with great success even without scientists, and scientists here only get in the way. But we need to find our point of view. Unfortunately, our specific view is not visible to anyone in the world. And Livanov is right when he talks about the very low citation of our scientists in the West. We do very little to fit into the global community. The legacy of a great power, which, in its opinion, had the most advanced teaching, is affecting. Hungarians and Poles have long published their research on world history in English and other international languages. We need to do the same. We have lost our leading positions even in Byzantine studies. Until the 1970s, it was the norm for Byzantinists around the world to know Russian. Now they don't know him and hardly read our historians. This is not a conspiracy against Russian science. We do practically nothing to promote our work abroad. In Soviet times, there was a publishing house "Progress", which, in particular, was engaged in the publication of translations of our scientists into other languages. In addition, our historians were transferred to the GDR, in a European language understandable to many. Now it turns out: you are interested, you translate. I can translate my article with some effort, but it will take me a year to translate my monograph into French. I don't have time for this. To do this, public and private funds should be created, as is done in many countries. We need "soft power" when you broadcast your culture to other countries. There are no grants for this activity.
There are many quirks in the current grant policy in general. On interdisciplinarity, gender, "cultural bridges" and other fashionable topics, it is easier to get a grant for a conference than, say, for a conference on "The economic state of Russian society in the late 19th and early 20th centuries." I'm not talking about the conference called: "What is feudalism?". Although this is a hot topic. As soon as she appears at the conference, a full house is immediately observed. We still need to understand: did feudalism exist or not? This is also necessary for Russian history. In general, the work of specialists in the history of the medieval West is needed to understand Russian history.
I have already spoken and written about this several times, but still I cannot refrain from telling about a recent curiosity. In 2013, when the whole country was celebrating the 400th anniversary of the Romanov dynasty on an unprecedented scale, we decided to hold a conference on the history of our representative bodies - Zemsky Sobors, but to show this phenomenon in a European context. I was asked to send invitations to European colleagues. But when I started writing letters, I realized that for some reason I could not translate the term "estate-representative monarchy" into any European language. I turned to Wikipedia. In it, say, the term "absolutism" is translated into 60 languages. Of course, articles in these languages differ from each other, but they exist. If you type "estate-representative monarchy", then Wikipedia will show that there are articles only in two languages - Russian and Ukrainian. And that's all. Mikhail Anatolyevich Boytsov, a very interesting medievalist with a malicious mindset, wrote an article on this subject in which he found the author of this term. It was invented by Nikolai Ivanovich Kareev at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. Then the theme of representation in the class of the Russian Empire was relevant. So he introduced it as an example from Russian history, which had Western parallels. The Soviet government picked up this term. Today, all specialists in Russian history believe that this is a Western term and a Western institution, which was either broadcast to us from the West, or is some kind of original national phenomenon that we compare with Western templates. But in the West there is no term "estate-representative monarchy". There is the concept of "representation", since the deputies more often represented not their estates, but the whole country. When we tried to translate the topics of reports, funny situations arose with foreign colleagues. They asked: "What is a class monarchy?" “Well, corporate,” we tried to explain. “The corporate state? It's under Mussolini! We never had that." This example shows that we need constant comprehension of terminology, bringing it into line with world historiography.
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