Rogozin on the moon. Rogozin spoke about plans for the exploration of the Moon and named the main problem of Roscosmos. About space and the lunar station

The list of tasks included expanding Russia's presence in low Earth orbits and transitioning from their development to use, colonization of the Moon and cislunar space, as well as preparation and beginning of the development of Mars and other objects of the Solar system.

An analysis of the prospects for the space industry, carried out by industry organizations and specialists from the Russian Academy of Sciences, showed that the main vector should be the exploration of the Moon, Rogozin wrote. It was the lunar issue that he paid special attention to.

According to the Deputy Prime Minister, Russian cosmonauts will be able to land on the Moon in 2030, after which a visitable lunar base will be created on it. It is planned to build a laboratory on the Earth’s satellite to study lunar minerals and meteorites, as well as create a pilot production of useful substances, gases, and water from regolith.

Gradually, test sites for storing and transmitting energy at a distance will be placed on the Moon. “This should resemble the development of a new continent,” writes Rogozin. He noted that Russian specialists know how “grandiose, extremely complex, ambitious a task” this is, but they understand how to implement it.

“In the next 50 years, humanity is unlikely to be technologically ready to implement manned flights to areas more distant than the space between Venus and Mars. But it is quite realistic to talk about the exploration of the Moon, about flights to asteroids and about flights to Mars,” Rogozin wrote.

The moon is an object of fundamental scientific research, the official believes. In addition, the Earth's satellite is "the closest source of extraterrestrial matter, minerals, minerals, volatile compounds." In his opinion, the Moon can become a platform for technological research and testing of new space technology.

Dmitry Rogozin added that Russia is not going to limit the lunar program in time. “It is hardly advisable to make 10-20 flights to the Moon, and then, abandoning everything, fly to Mars or asteroids. This process has a beginning, but no end: we are going to go to the Moon forever,” he wrote in the article. Rogozin added that flights to Mars and asteroids will largely become possible thanks to the exploration of the Moon.

Yuri Zaitsev, head of the information and analytical work department of the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences:

Dmitry Rogozin's proposals, set out in his article, deserve attention. But he decided to ban the launch of nuclear power plants into space, although work is underway on the creation of these plants. Even after the emergency descent of our satellite with a nuclear power plant, which fell onto Canadian territory, there was a big international scandal. Since then, their use has been limited, but such power plants cannot be avoided in the future - this issue will still have to be resolved sooner or later.

Rogozin also focused on the colonization of the Moon and Mars. We do have plans to develop the resources of the Moon. And Mars is too expensive to talk about the seriousness of such statements now. As they say, across the sea a heifer is half a piece, but the transportation is a ruble. It is also necessary to develop asteroid materials; this is also a reasonable proposal. But such large-scale projects are only possible in the very long term; now there are too many more pressing problems.

KP journalists met at the White House with the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government in charge of the military-industrial complex

About vocational schools and Syria

When you say “OPK”, you imagine something powerful, gigantic. In the USSR, the defense industry was almost a third part of the entire industry...

The military-industrial complex today consists of 1,350 enterprises and 2 million people, and each of them is a professional in their field. From a worker to a scientist or designer. Our industry produces 35% of domestic innovative products, and if we take all Russian exports, then the share of the defense industry in it is 25%. Russian President Vladimir Putin in his Address assessed the growth rate of the industry: in terms of labor productivity - about 10%, in terms of production volume - 10%. During the period of difficulties facing the Russian economy, the defense industry is compensating for the decline that has affected some civilian sectors. And a number of defense industry enterprises are already establishing the production of civilian products - aircraft, pleasure boats, offshore platforms. A year ago I was in the hospital, I saw how they were treating me and operating on me. Everything is American or European. We spend about 350 billion rubles annually on the import of foreign medical equipment. Although this money could be invested in the development of the domestic industry.

About Ukraine and Crimea

Historically, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine was closely connected with ours. Do you still have any relationship with him?

Everything was destroyed due to the fault of Kyiv. At the end of 2013, President Putin instructed me to go to Ukraine. First days of December. The Maidan had already begun to make noise, but the riot police had not yet burned them. I flew with the directors of our defense industry enterprises to Nikolaev, from there to Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, and in the evening we ended up in Kiev - to the design bureau and the Antonov plant. Do you know how we were received there? “Finally, dear ones, we’ve arrived.” These grandfathers at Yuzhmash literally cried. They really dreamed of joining the unified cooperation in which they had previously been. After the coup, everything was completely damaged and destroyed. Now the Nikolaev plant “Zarya-Mashproekt” owes us money. We paid for gas turbine units for frigates. They produced them... At Ukrainian customs, the paid equipment was not allowed into Russia. As a result, the money was not returned to us, the units were not delivered, but they had nowhere to put it. And who will Yuzhmash work for? We cooperated with them on the Zenit missile. It was the first stage for the super-heavy Energia rocket. We have now stopped launching missiles of this type. We will make our own rocket in the same class, but without the Ukrainians. Where will their workshops go?

- Is there something “inherited” to us in Crimea?

It seems that the Messerschmitts and Junkers bombed everything there. There are only 28 military enterprises, a decent industry in the past. There is a helicopter repair plant, and there is the Fiolent instrument-making plant in Simferopol. We immediately began to revive the defense enterprises of Crimea. Now, for example, the Zelenodolsk shipbuilding plant, which is located in Tatarstan, helps the Zaliv plant in Kerch. And shares orders with him. It provides not only wages, but also specialists and helps bring back workers. And the Kerch plant is now alive and developing. The same situation is at the More plant, at the Sevastopol Marine Plant... We are also considering the issue of restoring civilian passenger traffic Sochi - Novorossiysk - Crimea and so on. We need a carrier operator who will calculate the routes, calculate the economics and organize all this.

About sanctions and import substitution

- For Crimea, as you know, we received economic sanctions . Did they hit the defense industry hard?

Any supply of a foreign machine with modern digital programming can be used by foreign intelligence services to obtain information about what is being done on these machines. And there were such cases, and not only in Russia. Therefore, even before the sanctions, it became clear that brains should be on the machines. Today, excellent machines are made in Kovrov, at the electromechanical plant. A number of domestic companies produce high-quality equipment. The level of Russian machine tool industry began to rise sharply due to large orders from the defense industry.

- What do we have in general with import substitution?

First, we made a program for all products that came from Ukraine. These were mostly old Soviet technologies. We are replacing them with high modernization. The second program was for NATO countries and the European Union when they imposed sanctions. We assumed that they would hit the machine tool industry. It’s good that we launched our own production in time, starting in 2012. We made it in time. As with high-tech components - optics, radio electronics, microelectronics for space purposes... We launched production at our enterprises, and the sanctions did not work.

About space and the lunar station

At the same time, we still have a large amount of cooperation in space. Why weren’t counter-sanctions introduced in this segment?

We all carefully considered, analyzed, there were different voices: let's not supply RD-180 engines. Before this, we supplied NK-33 to the Americans. It began to be developed in the USSR back in the 70s. The reserves for the lunar program of the Soviet Union have accumulated - more than a hundred engines! Extremely effective, super reliable... All this stock was stored for years at the Samara plant, somewhere behind a wall. And in the difficult 90s they remembered about them - the Americans became interested. The money raised from the sale of engines went to pay workers and modernize production. They continue to purchase these engines now. This is beneficial for us too. We proceeded from pragmatism. Americans too. Roscosmos is in constant contact with NASA and ESA. We continued cooperation not only on the ISS, but also on the Mars program. Our equipment generally works normally.

- How do you see the development of manned space exploration?

The country must save money and set priorities strictly. We have several of them in space. The first is military tasks. Ensuring the country's security in space and from space. The second task is fundamental and research science. The third is an economic task. Creation of stable communications for a large country, introduction of a remote sensing system and satellite navigation. What really either brings money or holds the country together. As for science, you need to clearly verify what you need to know. I also met with Academician Zeleny, and we argued in the presence of the management of Roscosmos. He says: “We must fly to the moon.” And I demonstratively took the position of a skeptic: “Why?” He says: “We need to get regolith. It will provide insight into the origin of the Universe." But regolith also falls onto the Earth. Cosmic dust settles. Meteorites are the same. It is clear that I asked him naive questions. I wanted him to convince me. But I haven't convinced him yet. A permanent scientific station on the Moon is an interesting task. A technological breakthrough is needed, it is necessary to create a super-heavy rocket, an orbital module in lunar orbit, and a reusable descent vehicle. This is a serious task that we will solve not so much because we need a lunar station, but because we need greater technological capabilities in space.

- But there are no specific deadlines?

We plan to solve this problem by 2030.

VERBATIM

“No one has the right to spit on our memory”

More than a year ago, at a meeting of the board of trustees of the Russian Military Historical Society, the question was raised about the deplorable state of the museum at the site of the execution of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya in the village of Petrishchevo, Ruza district, Moscow region. Of course, we decided to raise funds for the restoration of the museum dedicated to the memory of this heroic girl. Most recently, commemorative events were held in Petrishchev dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the death of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya. War veterans and future defenders of the Motherland - Suvorov students and cadets - honored the memory of the first woman - Hero of the Soviet Union, who died while performing a combat mission. Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, under torture before execution, did not betray her duty for a second and called on the German soldiers to surrender. It is not for nothing that the Minister of Culture, who was present at this event, called Petrishchevo the Russian Golgotha. I believe that no one has the right to spit in our memory, in memory of the feat of our veterans - the heroes of the Great Patriotic War.

PROJECTS

Arctic GOST and “nuclear battery”

From heaven to earth. The President appointed you to oversee the state commission for the development of the Arctic... What are the priorities here?

We talk a lot about how our country is huge and we need to use its transit capabilities. First of all, this is the Northern Sea Route. It consists of two arms. The first is western, from Sabetta and further towards Europe. And the second is eastern, towards the Far East. If we talk about year-round use, then opening the western shoulder is not a problem. In the east, sometimes the ice is more than three meters thick. A super-icebreaker is being designed at the Krylov Research Center, which will lay a route with a width necessary for guiding gas carriers - 300 thousand tons of displacement. And it will break through up to 5 meters of ice.

- At the same time, our nuclear fleet is far from new.

Yes, its resource is running out. We need to devote ourselves to creating something new. We are now receiving three ships. The first one has already been launched at the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg. The construction of a “nuclear battery” - a floating power unit - is also being completed there. It approaches the coastal infrastructure from the sea and throws two cables. One is power supply, the second is hot water. And we revive any northern city. In 2019, I hope, serial production of the Il-114 aircraft will begin instead of the An-24 and An-74. He will go on a ski chassis. These are all the tools for entering the Arctic. I also propose to introduce Arctic GOST quality standards for enterprises working in the interests of the North - be it clothing or a snowmobile. What has been tested in the Arctic zone will work everywhere. But the main issue now is different - the delivery of cargo and goods. To do this, it is necessary to implement the Belkomur project, which is the transportation of goods from the Urals to Arkhangelsk. And then the ports are saturated with a large number of goods that can easily be transported to Europe. Then it becomes profitable. And the second project is the Northern Latitudinal Railway, which brings a large cargo flow to the Arctic ports. Now these projects need to be implemented. There are not enough budgetary funds. We need to find a partner within the concession.

-Can China join in?

Maybe. Because Chinese cargo can go through Russia, it is much cheaper than through Africa and Somali pirates. I have already presented this project to my colleague on the intergovernmental Russian-Chinese commission, Deputy Prime Minister of the People's Republic of China, Comrade Wang Yang.

MEANWHILE

“I hope relations with Moldova will warm up”

There were times when they didn’t even want to let your plane into Moldovan airspace. But you are the President’s special envoy for Transnistria. After the recent elections in Chisinau and Tiraspol, is there hope for some progress in resolving the Transnistrian problem?

Transnistria is in severe isolation. They are under all possible sanctions. Ukraine has blocked the entire border. Constant provocations at the border. Moldova also intercepted Russian representatives in Chisinau, deployed journalists, our peacekeepers. It was decided to recruit employees for our institutions and structures from citizens of the Russian Federation who live in the territory of Transnistria. Now the situation has unblocked a little with the new government of Filip and after the election of the new President of Moldova, Dodon. We are waiting for him in Moscow. I hope that relations with Moldova will warm up. Although they cannot warm up completely, for now Moldova remains within the framework of association with the European Union. There are political figures in Moldova, such as the Russophobic Minister Salaru, who continue to escalate the situation around Transnistria. I want to tell them: the path that runs through a civil war in order to “hang out beautifully without visas” in Europe is not idiotic, but criminal. It would be more correct and more patriotic for the Moldovan government to return to an economic union with Russia and other countries where there are traditional markets for the Moldovan product. Now there are no negotiations at all on the status of Transnistria.

ALL PHOTOS

Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the tasks facing the military-industrial complex he supervises, highly appreciated the achievements of Russian gunsmiths and spoke about the main task of which could be the exploration of the Moon.

As Rogozin assured on the air of the Vesti FM radio station, the State Armament Program planned for implementation before 2020 will be implemented. After the modernization of the Armed Forces, the share of new weapons, according to the Deputy Prime Minister, will be 70%.

Among the problematic sectors of the defense industry, Rogozin named “special chemicals, special gunpowder.” It is expected that it will take two to three years to update the chemical plants, he said.

Despite the fact that the small arms industry currently finds itself in a “difficult situation,” it has also made great strides, the official noted. According to Rogozin, the new weapons created at TsNIITochmash in Klimovsk - a pistol and a sniper rifle - are the best in Europe. Now the Deputy Prime Minister is going to take the Prime Minister to the enterprise to demonstrate to him the achievements of specialists.

It should be noted that TsNIITochmash produces the SR-1M (Gyurza) self-loading pistol for special forces and law enforcement agencies; submachine gun SR-2M, "Veresk"; small-sized assault rifle SR-3M (“Whirlwind”). In addition, special silent small arms are produced: the AS "Val" assault rifle, the 9-mm VSS "Vintorez" sniper rifle, the PSS "Vul" silent pistol. The company also created underwater small arms: the APS assault rifle and the SPP-1M pistol.

Rogozin proposed creating a base on the Moon

Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, speaking on the Vesti FM radio station, proposed that Roscosmos create a space research base on the Moon. According to the Deputy Prime Minister, such a project could become a “super goal” of the Russian space program, an incentive for the development of science and industry.

“Russian cosmonauts have learned to be in gravity, work in orbit, and conduct the necessary experiments there. Why not try to make a large station on the Moon, which would become the base for further “leaps” in science,” Rogozin said.

As the official noted, the Russian space industry now simply needs to determine the ultimate goal, and this does not necessarily have to be a base on the Moon. “There may be other proposals. We need to argue, we need to propose,” he believes.

Let us recall that the “Development Strategy until 2030” includes “operation of the lunar orbital base in visited mode, maintenance and repair of large spacecraft and inter-orbital tugs in low-Earth orbits.” The program assumes that a manned vehicle could go to the Moon as early as 2020.

However, recently the head of Roscosmos Vladimir Popovkin stipulated the conditions for landing Russians on the Moon. According to him, this will happen only if it is confirmed that there is water on the Earth's satellite. Popovkin did not mention the space department’s ambitions to explore the Moon.

However, inconsistency is characteristic not only of Roskomos, but also of Rogozin himself. RBC recalls his directly opposite statement made in March. “Why do we need to fly to the Moon? What can we find useful there? Maybe there are other tasks related to Mars, Venus and the study of the physics of the Sun?” the Deputy Prime Minister said then.

About the crisis and “end-to-end management” in Roskomos

In an interview with the Vesti FM radio station, Dmitry Rogozin also touched upon the topic of the crisis in the industry, which is regularly discussed in the press in connection with a series of failed spacecraft launches. The Deputy Prime Minister said that the situation is not as critical as it might seem. “We do not have a systemic crisis in the space industry,” the official is confident.

According to the Deputy Prime Minister, in order to restore order in the industry, it is necessary to solve problems at individual enterprises. According to Rogozin, the main problems of the industry are the large percentage of manual labor at enterprises, their low equipment and the elderly average age of the staff.

As Rogozin said, in the next two months a new system for managing the space industry will be formulated - “end-to-end management” will appear. “Re-certification of management employees will be carried out, new managers will be appointed on a competitive basis,” he promised, noting that he would personally monitor the progress of re-certification.

The Deputy Prime Minister said that purges had been carried out in the industry before. Numerous abuses of official duties by industry management were identified. Thus, some managers of space enterprises, according to him, set their salaries at 5 million rubles with an average salary of 30 thousand rubles. According to Rogozin, Popovkin told him about this. The official noted that this topic is currently closed. “Now, of course, we have finished this whole funny story. But in general, yes, these are the great directors we had,” he concluded.

At the same time, according to the Deputy Prime Minister, “scoldings and purges alone” will not solve the problem. It is necessary to work not only with personnel, but also to develop uniform technical requirements for space products.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin proposes to build a scientific station on the Moon.

Moon exploration

“I would propose solving a big problem, such a task could be the creation of a lunar station,” Rogozin said on Tuesday live on the Vesti FM radio station. According to the Deputy Prime Minister, such an undertaking could become a “super task” for the Russian space program and an incentive for the development of science and industry.

“We have great competition between countries in space activities, and therefore there must be a big supergoal that will attract science and industry, which will allow the country to break out of the captivity of the problems in which we have been for 20 years,” Rogozin explained.

“Russian cosmonauts have learned to work in orbit and conduct the necessary experiments there. Why not try to make a large station on the Moon, which would become the base for further “leaps” in science,” Rogozin suggested. “This task is big, prestigious, political,” Rogozin added.

He added that the Russian space industry needs to determine its ultimate goal; it does not have to be a base on the Moon. “There may be other proposals. We need to argue, we need to propose,” concluded Rogozin.

Personnel composition

The Deputy Prime Minister intends to personally recertify the leadership of the space industry. “There should be a re-certification of management employees, I myself will personally carry it out, and we will introduce competition when appointing directors to enterprises,” Rogozin said.

The Deputy Prime Minister noted that the subjective factor in the appointment of directors of enterprises leads to the “aging” of the space industry and a decrease in the level of responsibility of its employees. “Yesterday it was decided that in the next two months, together with the expert council of the Russian government, a new design for the manageability of the industry will be formulated, because the way it is now managed, it is not managed, there is no special control,” Rogozin added.

In addition, Rogozin announced the creation of a personnel reserve for the Russian defense industry. “The Security Council the week before last decided to support the idea put forward by the Military-Industrial Commission (under the Russian government) and create a “thousand personnel” for the Russian defense industry, looking for people, including from private business,” he said . Rogozin recalled that a public-private partnership council is currently being created under the Military-Industrial Commission, the core of which will be business representatives. “If they go to the defense industry, the quality of our production may change,” says the deputy chairman of the Russian government.

The Russian space industry is at about half capacity and needs very deep reform, Rogozin said. “The industry is oversized. In our country there are several large concerns that simultaneously produce similar products - control systems, launch systems, space satellites, engines. And we ourselves cannot fill the space industry within the country - it is approximately half-loaded, and we also cannot control the quality; with such a wide range of manufactured products, it is impossible to control everything,” the Deputy Prime Minister said.

In addition, Rogozin noted that it is necessary to determine what tasks Russia will solve in space. “The question has arisen that a really, very deep reform is needed. But where to start it, with the struggle for quality? You won't achieve much with this. The main task now is only one - Russia must formulate its goals for space, what are we trying to achieve?”, explained the Deputy Prime Minister. According to him, from the documents that have been prepared so far in the space industry, we can conclude that Russia “planned to fly there and visit here, and to continue manned space flights to the ISS.” “There is no architecture of values, no clear understanding of the plan. This was discussed at a meeting with the Prime Minister,” summed up the Deputy Prime Minister.

The head of the Russian government, Dmitry Medvedev, held a meeting on Monday with heads of space industry enterprises on issues of ensuring the quality and reliability of space technology. In particular, the Prime Minister said that Russia's spending on space technology in the coming years will amount to 670 billion rubles. Earlier it was reported that on August 15, Roscosmos presented to the Russian government the draft “Strategy for the development of space activities of the Russian Federation for the period until 2030.” The head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, noted that by the end of the year the department plans to complete discussions on this document with the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development.

Based on materials from RIA Novosti.

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Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin called poor “organization of business” the main problem of the state corporation Roscosmos. Nevertheless, the government’s “space” plans include the imminent landing of the Luna 25 station. Speaking about the prospects for development, the Deputy Prime Minister noted that the situation as a whole is “not so catastrophic and dramatic.”

Rogozin assesses the overall situation in this area positively. Russia will carry out development, according to the Deputy Prime Minister, without imposing itself on the United States as a partner. “We will definitely not conduct any negotiations in order to impose ourselves on the Americans as partners. The situation is far from being so catastrophic and dramatic,” he noted.

As for the Moon, we are going to send the Luna-25 station in 2019: this is a small landing module that should land on the Moon.”

Until 2030, the lunar program involves the construction of stations both on the surface of the Moon and on. “In 2022, 2023 and after 2025, more stations will be built, including those that will operate in lunar orbit.

The landing module will descend to the surface and enter the layer of lunar soil,” Rogozin said. And at this stage, according to him, “cooperation with the United States would be very good, but not at any cost: we certainly will not become apprentices.”

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In the early 90s, the United States already asked to become an “apprentice” in the Russian-American Mars probing program under the auspices of US NASA. The fact is that the United States did not have and does not have either the technology or equipment for subsurface probing of planets - in the conditions of high-resistivity and low-contrast parameters of the subsurface section. Similar to permafrost soils (permafrost zone of the Arctic), when there is no humidity and water is in a bound state. Since 1975-77. The IKI of the USSR Academy of Sciences entrusted the most important research work “Study of the possibility of sensing the Moon” to two Saratov research institutes - NIIMF SSU and NVNIIGG. The theoretical problem was solved on the basis of the Saratov brand of electromagnetic sensing ZSB. Then, on an initiative basis, a nanosecond range ZSB device was developed and manufactured and successfully tested in August 1978. in the city of Mirny, in the Batuobinsky expedition - in the permafrost zone for the tasks of searching and exploring primary and alluvial diamond deposits. 40 years have passed and so far no one in the world, including NASA and Harvard USA, has been able to repeat our Saratov results. However, ROSCOSMOS, after the failure of the US NASA international probing program for Mars, completely excluded subsurface probing of planets from its programs - and NASA made the subsurface probing of planets a priority in all its programs! WHY?